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Post by berserkchip on Jun 4, 2009 21:46:18 GMT -5
((So, back on Raziel-Chan's forum, I started two RPs. They were both open spar RP's. One was for new characters that have been made recently by you, and the other (this one) was made for using your favorite/main characters and having them duke it out. I think getting these characters acquainted with each other would be a great way to break the ice between forum regulars and newcomers alike.
In the original threads, I think I had sign up threads first, but since there's the character posting forum, I guess sign up threads are obsolete here?
More importantly, the reason I wanna do this now is because I want to beta test Belle to make sure she's not too strong. I scaled her powers down for this site (In her original state, she could pretty easilly do Halo Cannon X100 and wouldn't be fatigued, especially not in the way she is now) If she does turn out to be overpowered even still, I'll lower her down again. Her personality is too much fun to RP to just not use her. (I LOVE it when she jumps in all gung ho and all the other characters are like "WTH is her deal?")
So, who's interested? Once I get enough people I'll start it off with the terrain and my character's intro.))
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Post by CuteCat on Jun 5, 2009 1:26:56 GMT -5
(Gwah... A brawl? That sounds fun! Although, my "main characters"... Uh... The one I use the most, Kikari, is kinda not a fighter. Well, he can fight, but he doesn't want it or anything so I'd have to use Insane!Kik. Or Sonci/Virus. I'd rather use one of my "strongest" characters, although most of mine wouldn't stand a chance against these guys. Hmm... Maybe I could toss Zakragon in... He's a villain, so are those okay? Just checking.)
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Post by berserkchip on Jun 6, 2009 20:24:15 GMT -5
Whoever you think would be appropriate in a brawl is fine. In the previous one, we had two, sometimes three characters per player.
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Post by CuteCat on Jun 7, 2009 8:58:16 GMT -5
Ah, so any character would be fine? Nice. Maybe I'll join... But how would we do it? A tournament, or everyone fighting at once?
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Post by berserkchip on Jun 7, 2009 10:51:07 GMT -5
Tournament would be interesting. The last time I did it, we had two groups of characters fighting eachother at once in seperate yet close areas (Basically in one group we had Belle VS Darell, and in the other group... everyone else)
I'll figure out how it's gonna be done exactly when more people pitch in.
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Post by cruel on Jun 9, 2009 15:32:22 GMT -5
Yes... everyone else. I recall how that "everyone else" worked out.
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Post by berserkchip on Jun 10, 2009 4:53:30 GMT -5
Yes... everyone else. I recall how that "everyone else" worked out. Oh, yeah, it was Soto vs everyone else, wasn't it... I probably should try to give the characters an 'actual' reason to fight each other this time.
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Post by cruel on Jun 10, 2009 12:09:46 GMT -5
¿Soto? ¿Are we talking about the same tournament?
No, I meant the other one. Where on one side, Belle and Darell tied everyone who got on their way to the railroad tracks. And on the other... someone else did the same thing.
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Post by berserkchip on Jun 10, 2009 14:02:30 GMT -5
¿Soto? ¿Are we talking about the same tournament? No, I meant the other one. Where on one side, Belle and Darell tied everyone who got on their way to the railroad tracks. And on the other... someone else did the same thing. Are you talking about UUT or something?
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Post by cruel on Jun 11, 2009 14:27:27 GMT -5
Exactly. I hate when this happens, and it happens just way too often... How long have we been talking about two different things?
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Post by berserkchip on Jun 11, 2009 16:25:20 GMT -5
Well, since I'm trying to revive the since discontinued top tier brawl from RC's site, I was talking about the situation from that Rp. I didn't know you were still hopped up on UUT. Maybe I should do that again? That 'was' my most successful Rp out of all of them.
Regarding UUT. I really don't see how Belle and Darell tied everyone who got in there way to railroad tracks. It was tournament based, so the fights were individualized. And on the other side? What the final boss? (Dark Zack) But you guys beat him. It was hard, but you did it. Or maybe Garret, you're referring to? I still think he could have been beatable.
And Darell was more overpowered than Belle. After all, even if they're fight was a tie (or rather interrupted) Belle's condition after the fight would be proof enough of Darell's superiority. Good thing Zack was there to heal her back to tip top shape. And poor Zachary getting pwned like that by Silver Harlequin. (1/4 of the reason I remade Belle is so that she could fight on Darell's level)
And even in Belle's ultimate form, Arc mode (Actually I think it was deep or even final arc mode) Belle lost to Silver Harlequin (Who was gonna be the final boss of UUT's sequel, if Panzer hadn't decided to up and leave like that.) who we found out was actually Darell from a parallel universe.
*sigh* I miss those Dragonball Z days...
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Post by CuteCat on Jun 12, 2009 9:41:16 GMT -5
... No offense, but that sounds extremely ridiculous. Just... So horribly overpowered. All the characters being like that... It's hard to imagine.
If I'm to join, I'd prefer for it to be more sensible. Your power level being OVER 9000 is rather bad... It just feels like if you refer to both fighters as "overpowered", you're doing something wrong.
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Post by berserkchip on Jun 12, 2009 14:36:24 GMT -5
... No offense, but that sounds extremely ridiculous. Just... So horribly overpowered. All the characters being like that... It's hard to imagine. If I'm to join, I'd prefer for it to be more sensible. Your power level being OVER 9000 is rather bad... It just feels like if you refer to both fighters as "overpowered", you're doing something wrong. I know, that's why I decreased Belle's power a LOT. She's still a bit much for mIRC, with her light manipulation ability. And no, we're talking about a different RP, not the one this one was based off of. Though I do miss those days. Despite the overpoweredness, it was fun to write.
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Post by cruel on Jun 16, 2009 12:43:06 GMT -5
Well, since I'm trying to revive the since discontinued top tier brawl from RC's site, I was talking about the situation from that Rp. I didn't know you were still hopped up on UUT. Maybe I should do that again? That 'was' my most successful Rp out of all of them. "That" was your most successful? That left me prejudiced against you for years, honey. Regarding UUT. I really don't see how Belle and Darell tied everyone who got in there way to railroad tracks. It was tournament based, so the fights were individualized. And on the other side? What the final boss? (Dark Zack) But you guys beat him. It was hard, but you did it. Or maybe Garret, you're referring to? I still think he could have been beatable. Yes, they were individualized fights. And everyone who got it with Belle or Darell had to sod off because they couldn't lose 'till they fought each other. Not to mention that other guy who was made of a precious metal. That makes seven of the fights moot. Since there were 15 fights, and the final one was plot-driven, it means more than half of your game was just "sod off and let the plot move, I need the Silver Harlequin to get to the end to interrupt Belle and Darell". And Darell was more overpowered than Belle. After all, even if they're fight was a tie (or rather interrupted) Belle's condition after the fight would be proof enough of Darell's superiority. Good thing Zack was there to heal her back to tip top shape. And poor Zachary getting pwned like that by Silver Harlequin. (1/4 of the reason I remade Belle is so that she could fight on Darell's level) Hey, we all made mistakes. Then again, there was absolutely no reason to remake anything. Belle was EXACTLY as powerful as YOU decided SHE was. Same with Darell, just replace YOU with RC and SHE with HE. There is absolutely no justification in "he's more powerful, she's more powerful". You didn't remake Belle so that she could fight on his level, you remade her so that you felt justified in stating she could fight on Darell's level, even though Darell only needed a "do I make him more powerful than her? W'ever." thought on RC's side to curb-stomp the battle, despite how many makeovers you gave Belle, limited exactly by how much you let him. And even in Belle's ultimate form, Arc mode (Actually I think it was deep or even final arc mode) Belle lost to Silver Harlequin (Who was gonna be the final boss of UUT's sequel, if Panzer hadn't decided to up and leave like that.) who we found out was actually Darell from a parallel universe. Well, that didn't matter, period. Had he been Darell from a parallel universe or Belle from a parallel universe, the issue stays that he removed three people from the fight in the name of the plot. The mechanism of the facts is of no consequence. And by that, BC, I mean that the next time you try to justify anything explaining who's more powerful than who, I'm going to tear your eyes off and eat them, making you watch as I eat them. [sblock] How, you ask? Easy. I'll have you watch with one eye as I eat the other one. [/sblock] *sigh* I miss those Dragonball Z days... You miss 'em? How about some Dragonball Z RP, then? We can always say they're on the level of Goku before Z, but it's an alternate universe where: 1-most people are made of plasticine, 2-the preferred building material is cardboard, 3-all rocks are as fragile as glass, 4-the dirt runs away from ki, 5-all metal ores are so terribly impure, that only katanas can have any appreciable hardness. [sblock]Hey, 1- 2- and 5- were true for the Japanese for generations![/sblock]
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Post by CuteCat on Jun 16, 2009 14:46:03 GMT -5
When you speak of overpowered, I just remember that part of RP I read between Raz and... Someone else. Might've been BC, actually. It basically went like this: "I hit you really fast." "I dodge you and hit faster." "I'm faster than that!" "I'm faster!" "I'm faster!"
... Seriously. There was something about a move taking 1/8 nanosecond or something. In the old days when I RPed on a forum with Raz, my bro noted that "hey he just makes himself better than you in every aspect, doesn't he. Melting the metal you said was unbreakable and forcing you to back off into a corner."...
I don't want such DBZ days back. >_O And from what Cruel said, it sounds like an absolute DISASTER. You can have a separate RP for DBZ-style fighting if you want, much like the stuff I mentioned above... Let's see how fun it really is? I kinda went by the "no I'm stronger" thing once, when a "nobody messes with this cause he's really dangerous"-type character decided to attack another character with a similar reputation, but it just made us both feel horrible and we ended up retconning it mid-"battle".
... I think the bottom line is, please don't be too overpowered if the fight isn't specifically for overpowered characters. Others shouldn't have to make up bullshit abilities to keep their characters from dying gruesomely. Also, no "must win if the plot is to move on" characters in the tournament, please? That just gives an unfair advantage, being unable to lose your battles! They can be plot important, sure, but you don't have to win constantly in order to be that.
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Post by cruel on Jun 16, 2009 15:52:16 GMT -5
... Seriously. There was something about a move taking 1/8 nanosecond or something. Yes. Not that there was anything wrong with that. A nanosecond is a lot of time for some people. I don't want such DBZ days back. >_O And from what Cruel said, it sounds like an absolute DISASTER. You can have a separate RP for DBZ-style fighting if you want, much like the stuff I mentioned above... Let's see how fun it really is? I kinda went by the "no I'm stronger" thing once, when a "nobody messes with this cause he's really dangerous"-type character decided to attack another character with a similar reputation, but it just made us both feel horrible and we ended up retconning it mid-"battle". Yep, that can happen. Someone must give, or else the battle will drag on forever. ... I think the bottom line is, please don't be too overpowered if the fight isn't specifically for overpowered characters. Others shouldn't have to make up bullshit abilities to keep their characters from dying gruesomely. Also, no "must win if the plot is to move on" characters in the tournament, please? That just gives an unfair advantage, being unable to lose your battles! They can be plot important, sure, but you don't have to win constantly in order to be that. Heard that, BC? You can have a separate RP for that. Belle and Darell can go spank each other at their heart's content as long as no one else is involved! In his defense, CC, tying people to the railroad tracks isn't an habit. It only happened once. Seven times, but only once.
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Post by berserkchip on Jun 17, 2009 1:11:14 GMT -5
WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Okay, one at a time, I guess. Before that though, I'd like to say for CuteCat's sake, Cruel's overreacting ENORMOUSLY here. especially considering a fact I will bring up in his first quote.
Yeah, the one you talked about over and over again, the one most of the active Rp'rs on IRA's forum joined, the one that had a huge cast of characters, the one that lasted over 50 pages, (give or take a few), the one you yourself animated parts of it, the one you remember the most, obviously, [glow=red,2,300]YEAH[/glow], that one. And by the way, prejudiced? You weren't even in the darn thing! You refused to sign up, you only ever posted on it as random audience members and trevor, who's first appearance was landing on Belle's unconscious body.
It may have seemed that way to you because you were only active in the RP from the surface. You didn't join the actual tournament and in fact your only purpose was to criticize and make fun of...um... well... me. In truth, some characters were defeated at personal request, but through compromise alone did that happen. Both RC and I pmed CB and WP about the matches and they were fine with it all; something YOU would have no knowledge of since, again, you were not actually in the Rp itself.
WHOA WHOA WHOA, there pardner. Slow down there with those pronouns! It's kinda difficult for me to read this paragraph, and therefore it's difficult to respond to it. It was never intended to make her more powerful, just enough so that she could compete with Darell longer. In the fight, she couldn't hurt him and she ran out of power, doing more damage to herself than he to her.
My goal wasn't to make her "More" powerful, exactly. I wanted her to last longer in a fight, instead of the high risk/high reward fighting style she had as a reploid. When I changed her, I had in mind Darell's regenerating ability in mind. Power wise, they were kinda equal, it's just that Darell wouldn't die from conventional attacks, so I made it so Belle could attack without completely killing herself to do so. That way the fight would last longer. THAT was what I wanted. (Yeah, as if the fight itself wasn't long enough, right? lol)
And I really don't understand your logic of a character's power or style being completely set in stone. I can change her if I want, and I can have whatever reason I want for doing so. RC had been doing this stuff much longer than I, and I learned and changed my style a lot because of him.
I sense some hostility....
You don't want justification? Fair enough. I shouldn't have to justify myself or my RP to someone who had no involvement in it in the first place.
I would consider that, but considering I don't even see Darell's name on RC's character list, I would imagine he's retired that character, so I don't think that's gonna happen. Besides, my original idea was a lot more simple than what you've been complaining about.
Now on to CC.
That probably wasn't me, then. I would have conceded to being hit halfway through an exchange like that. And that's not what I'd be doing here anyway, so the point is moot. This isn't about UUT, it's about something entirely different. Just because Belle is involved, does not mean it's going to turn out like this. In fact, I'm trying to fix her so she won't break any of the RP rules you guys have set up. She has a cloudy history, but she's still the first character I ever made, the one I've had the most work on, and my favorite.
It seems that way because he only got half of the story. And that happened because he's talking about an RP he wasn't in. Criticizing it, really, which is pretty much ALL he did back in the day.
I don't know about your experiences since I wasn't there, but when RC and I had Belle and Darell fight, usually there was some kind of emotional purpose behind it. Despite what cruel would have you believe, it was not just a "WE MUST KUNGFU FIGHT" kind of situation. Darell's purpose was to prove that he was the best among all and that no one could hurt him or stand in his way (And I might be wrong, since I'm going by memory here), while Belle's purpose was simply to prove that she 'was' strong, and that she could fight, and no matter how many times she got knocked down, she could still get back up and keep going. What was awesome about UUT was that these reasons for fighting clashed so well and made a lot of great fighting chemistry, which is why I desperately (and admittedly a little underhandedly) set that fight up behind the scenes. (PMs)
1: umm... this thread isn't for UUT, it's for a different idea all together.
2: If I were to do UUT again (And I'm thinking of doing it now just to prove I can and that I can please everyone if needed) and if there were characters like Belle and Darell (And again, there probably wouldn't be) I would probably have those characters fight each other in the first round instead of spreading them out like I did in the original.
3: The plot itself would have little involvement with the characters this time around, so no NPC's sneaking into the semi finals.
CC, I imagine you're worried about all this because of Cruel's stories about UUT. Please do not worry about any of this. He's misinformed because he only participated in the RP as a spectator and as a critic. He never actually had any involvement in the game itself. It wasn't nearly as bad as he makes it out to be. I can't speak for those who aren't here, but I know RC and I had a lot of fun working on UUT.
And besides, you've seen me on forest IRC, right? You know very well that I can Rp normally and follow the rules. This is stuff that happened when I was sixteen and still new to the text based RP world.
And Devastar..... I really didn't know how all of his affected you so. I thought you liked UUT. You did Fanart of both Belle and scenes from UUT itself. I never imagined you actually hated it.
I could go on and on, but I might become insulting after a while, and I don't want to do that because you and I go way back, so I'll be brief and to the point.
You're complaining about an RP you weren't in, you're completely changing the subject matter of the original thread, you're critiquing my RP style from two years ago, you're misinterpreting my motives for Belle, and to top it all off you threatened my beautiful eyes.
umm... so... like.... stop that?
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Post by CuteCat on Jun 17, 2009 10:42:53 GMT -5
... He threatened your eyes? ; I'm just worried due to what he said. It doesn't sound good at all if some characters are actually predetermined to be in the final, but ANYONE should be able to get that far. Just like in any other game, it feels like a cop-out otherwise... It should be fair. Auto-losing or being told "uh hey can you please back off and not fight so my character can move on? it's plot-related" doesn't feel good... Even though I know I'd probably end up saying okay, I wouldn't want it at all. The amount of pages and so on don't necessarily amount to the quality, by the way. I hope that this tournament will be different from that, as stated... I could join, but only the tournament itself is fair. I know how bad it can be to fight a battle you can't win - against Raziel, I had a few fair fights back then. But other than those few... All I could do was to try and keep my characters alive. After a fight that was fair, he made his character STRONGER while mine stayed at the same power as before, and for no apparent reason at that. I could stay alive and hold his character off, but never win. So I hope for balanced battles, as well... Let's stop speaking of such stupid mistakes. We've all made mistakes RP-wise. Who would join this tournament? Also, are you allowed to enter more than one character?
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Post by berserkchip on Jun 17, 2009 14:33:36 GMT -5
... He threatened your eyes? ; I'm just worried due to what he said. It doesn't sound good at all if some characters are actually predetermined to be in the final, but ANYONE should be able to get that far. Just like in any other game, it feels like a cop-out otherwise... It should be fair. Auto-losing or being told "uh hey can you please back off and not fight so my character can move on? it's plot-related" doesn't feel good... Even though I know I'd probably end up saying okay, I wouldn't want it at all. The amount of pages and so on don't necessarily amount to the quality, by the way. I hope that this tournament will be different from that, as stated... I could join, but only the tournament itself is fair. I know how bad it can be to fight a battle you can't win - against Raziel, I had a few fair fights back then. But other than those few... All I could do was to try and keep my characters alive. After a fight that was fair, he made his character STRONGER while mine stayed at the same power as before, and for no apparent reason at that. I could stay alive and hold his character off, but never win. So I hope for balanced battles, as well... Let's stop speaking of such stupid mistakes. We've all made mistakes RP-wise. Who would join this tournament? Also, are you allowed to enter more than one character? To start, yes he did. "I'm going to tear your eyes off and eat them, making you watch as I eat them." No one threatens my beautiful green eyes! Anyway, I think you're still a little confused. This is not a tournament at all, it's a brawl. Just a mix of characters duking it out. Yeah, you can pretty much use as many characters as you want, but in the original brawl we had on Raziel-Chan's site, most of us used only two or three characters, however we made the mistake of posting all heroes and having no particular reason to fight, so it ended up as everyone gangbanging Cruel, the one person kind enough to post a villian, while Belle and Darell fought (Actually, all they did was argue and talk about their past, since no fighting really took place) in the background. I came up with a better scenario this time, so we actually have a reason to fight. (Hopefully. I can't predict what other characters will do.) Now on to what is starting to resemble drama a little bit. If I remember correctly, the only character that lost due to me wanting it to be so was Fortune, WP's character. It only happened once. I do feel guilty about it though, and wouldn't make someone do that in the future. The only other match Belle had was against a villain character. No one had a problem with Darell moving up, mainly because he beat two of my characters to do so. There was hardly any plot based conspiracy. Again, do not listen to cruel, he doesn't know what he's talking about. Actually, as I may have mentioned before, I've had fights like that with Raziel in the past, but I never saw them as annoying or unfair. Actually I liked them and had fun. (The way you describe it, I'm not sure how I did it anymore, but never do I recall being frustrated in battles like that) I can't believe Cruel's making a big stink about this anyway. It was 3 years ago, I was sixteen, for crying out loud! I wouldn't do the stuff I did back then now, okay? Can we please change the subject now? I'm starting to feel backed into a corner, here. All I wanted was to make an RP for our favorite characters to participate in. I didn't come here to testify about something from long long ago in a forum far canceled.
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Post by cruel on Jun 18, 2009 12:55:52 GMT -5
´ell, BC. Let's see. We keep disagreeing, we keep misunderstanding, the tension keeps escalating. We'd better close this once and for all given half a chance, and here are my final thoughts on the matter. After this, truce, amnesty, and deletion.
What I keep disagreeing with, what keeps me returning to the same unhappy tone, is that you keep misunderstanding me, or I keep expressing myself the wrong way! So for the sake of closure I'll be blunt. You keep saying my logic is that a character's power is set in stone. What I'm trying to say is that if you had used HALF an eye to look at the people around you you'd have realized NO ONE's power had ever been set on stone! YOU are the one acting like characters' powers were set on stone, or else you wouldn't be retconning someone for the sake of their abilities! I'm only saying it's unnecessary and annoying, that you keep treating it like it were serious business, and every time I tell you that it actually does nothing, that the only thing that matters is what you make of it, you don't give a satisfactory answer! You just elude the point. This is not an exact science, how am I to put it when I've already tried all other ways!? There's no objective way to retcon Belle into being able to challenge X except if you list her abilities as "enough to challenge X.
As for... Mr. Magical vampire ninja cyborg, I doubt a character that's been going strong since 1998 will ever be retired. The reason why I keep mentioning the UUT was because you said T, so I thought "Tournament? What tournament? The only tournament BC's ever worked on was... hmm, oh, he said it was the one that got me cranky? There was only one... why is that?". I was just as surprised when you mentioned the tournament as you were when I mentioned the tournament. Next time, when you try to say "brawl", DO say "brawl". Or make another tournament in the middle, will ya?
But I apologize for the way I've been treating you. I was unaware of that one detail, that everyone had had fun. No one ever told me that part. Had they, three years ago, I'd have never mentioned it again. It left me prejudiced, but that dropped off over time. Then it grew just like something of a running joke for me to have disliked it, BC, because I wasn't aware that everyone agreed they had had fun!
The other one never got me any cranky. They gangbanged Soto, yes, but he was just about to make a comeback. If only the game hadn't died off... but it did. Guess I didn't do as good a villain as I should've been.
That's another point I wanted to address, CC. A nanosecond is a lot of time for some people... and maybe, if I hadn't been so adamant on Soto being the same speed as the four people attacking him (or, actually, slower), if I hadn't had him compensating it all with mere cleverness but instead with something a bit... cooler, if I had him able to take more hits rather than break down after the first arrow, maybe I'd have contributed to a more engaging fight. What would it have costed me? Nothing! I'd just have had to remove "Soto spasmed as he took the arrow, dropping to his knees and breathing in painful grunts as his lower back failed to support his weight, hitting his head on the ground as he dropped, gasping for air as the arrow drove through his armpit, pierced his lung, and nicked his pericardium", and write "the arrow lodged itself in the armor of his armpit. He grimaced for a moment, and then completed the deadly spell". For god's sake, even BC had to make his character stretch conclussions and responsibilities a bit to make Soto so much as seem moderately dangerous!
So, CC, I know you don't like throwing planets at people, but I've been meaning to say that in my experience, sometimes, it's the right thing to do. Just ask Nanoha from Magical Girl Lyrical Nanoha, Vegeta from DBZ, and Simon from Tengen Toppa Gurrenn Lagann (hell, if you think DBZ was over the top, Simon even threw galaxies at people!). Hell, even Donald Duck did it once, and it DIDN'T happen when Square-Enix put him in their mushroom samba trip with Mr. Key-Copyright-Blade. Just curious... Were there a way to keep planetary scale destruction running smooth and fun despite we're not made (or trained, even the best of us) to intuitively model matters of that scale as well as we model, for example, fistfights, wouldn't you participate in such a game?
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