Mon
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Koniki Forest's Local Wizard
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Post by Mon on Feb 20, 2010 16:25:34 GMT -5
This has been a subject of debate among some of the other people of the forest for a while now, and I figure it's time to put it out on the table:
Does Jim need his Op powers revoked?
Now, don't get me wrong. I like Jim as much as the next guy, but he has shown numerous times that he cannot be trusted with Operator status. While normally funloving, Jim as an op tends to have a rather elitist attitude concerning himself, wanting more to kickban and get things over with than to actually work through problems - something that goes directly against Koniki attitude - to be fun and accepting of all.
Secondly, he has shown numerous times that, whilst in op power, he cannot act with a level head. Often kicking for little to no reason(When it isn't taken as a joke) or downright trying to assume command of a situation. He lets the power go completely to his head, and thinks that his Operator status means that his word, and his word only, is law.
Furthermore, his methods tend to seem 'extreme' at best. While some situations feel like they should be handled delicately, Jim wields his power like a sledgehammer - smashing problems into bits and calling them 'fixed'. The power of an operator should be that of a scalpel, working delicately and with the utmost precision to keep the community in check.
His "kick first, talk later" attitude leads him to be, while an effective anti-troll op, completely unsuited to matters concerning members of the actual RP. His power has sadly gone to his head, and the way he conducts himself screams 'irresponsible op'.
I know I'm barely one to talk, but give my words some contemplation. Yes, they are radical, but think for yourself as to whether or not Jim is competent enough to remain an effective Operator.
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Jim
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Post by Jim on Feb 20, 2010 17:08:00 GMT -5
Counterpoint - You continuously stick your nose in on issues that are being resolved by others that don't really need your input. Re : Trolling forest because you thought it was too 'dark'; asking people if we should just ban Kal for being such an aggrivation. Your style of argument is often very confrontational and without much experience as to the subject at hand, and you often do a lot of yelling and not a lot of taking what other people are saying into consideration.
Furthermore, please show several examples where I've been the one doing too much banning or kicking of people who didn't deserve it. Please provide full logs of the situation at the time. Then compare it with the number of trolls, jerks (Re : Dmitri, PokerBear) or spammers I've been taking care of.
Counterpoint - show some example where I'm using my op powers 'without having a level head'.
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Post by CuteCat on Feb 20, 2010 17:26:42 GMT -5
Just a note, you didn't do sh*t about NIAF except tattle to Arcolf. So don't take credit for that one.
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Post by Crimson_Hunter on Feb 21, 2010 5:27:08 GMT -5
I will admit I do find Jim pretty trigger happy. He kicks like it was hotkeyed to his right house button. HOWEVER what balances out is that fact that when a situation becomes outright ridiculous he takes control of it. Yes sometimes he does kick with relentless abandon, but from what I have observed it has been mostly towards regular and in general good fun. (IE: Xanit/Vaxx)
Now one of the examples with Jim goin off the wagon was Selfina, I am not defending her in anyway, but he chose ye old /kick instead of diplomacy. I will admit I didn't think she would listen, but still it never hurts to try. It is also however a situation that looks pretty good for Jim because I can probably count the number of people that liked her on my hand. Using my thumb.
Also Mon, I can't say much before this, but since the time I have started frequenting again, you have just barely started showing up and even then poking in and out. You are already trying to be pushy? I have to go with Jim on this one.
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Post by CuteCat on Feb 26, 2010 18:37:38 GMT -5
On the issue of Selfina, it's not about whether she was liked or not. An operator has a certain responsibility, and getting rid of someone just because they PERSONALLY don't like her... I don't think I have to explain the dark path that is likely to lead to. Jim didn't ask for anyone else's opinion as far as I can recall, instead just assuming that everyone else felt the same.
I think it could also be of note that spammers aren't really a valid counterpoint, as there is very often a race as to who can ban them first. Jim is online at times where the rest of us aren't, which gives him an unfair advantage. Being the fastest banner around is not something you can use as an argument.
Mon doesn't have enough experience to know what is seen as a joke and what isn't, and you have to admit that if you returned only to find Jim randomly kicking members for little or no reason and then demanding control over a situation, you'd doubt him as well.
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Post by syriana on Mar 17, 2010 17:28:14 GMT -5
It's very clear to me that Jim just doesn't have the temperment to be a mod. I've been banned now simply for having a personal disagreement with him. I wasn't breaking any chat rules, and I wasn't doing anything to hinder anyone else's RP. It's clear he needs to be de-modded, at least until he can get his anger issues under control.
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Jim
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Post by Jim on Mar 18, 2010 21:23:28 GMT -5
It's very clear to me that Jim just doesn't have the temperment to be a mod. I've been banned now simply for having a personal disagreement with him. I wasn't breaking any chat rules, and I wasn't doing anything to hinder anyone else's RP. It's clear he needs to be de-modded, at least until he can get his anger issues under control. You were banned for 12 hours from the OOC channel for being an argumentative, insulting nuisance. You were free to continue RPing at the time, which you did.
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Post by syriana on Mar 19, 2010 21:25:48 GMT -5
It's very clear to me that Jim just doesn't have the temperment to be a mod. I've been banned now simply for having a personal disagreement with him. I wasn't breaking any chat rules, and I wasn't doing anything to hinder anyone else's RP. It's clear he needs to be de-modded, at least until he can get his anger issues under control. You were banned for 12 hours from the OOC channel for being an argumentative, insulting nuisance. You were free to continue RPing at the time, which you did. You do not have the temperament to be a Mod, Jim. I was RPing with someone else, doing something that didn't concern you at all, then you exploded on me in the middle of the chatroom, called me a disgrace, and then started making claimed that I Godmod, and my character was over powered. Anyone who knew how to moderate and deal with people would have sent me a PM at some point, asking me to tone it down, but you did no such thing. The very first time I had any inclination that you had a problem with things I was doing (In jest, by the way) was when you freaked out and yelled at me in front of a chat room full of people. No mod should act this way, you don't have the temperament for this, and you need to be de-modded. There are enough mods in this place as it is, and I honestly don't see why someone as unstable as you needs mod status. Oh and by the way, I tend to get argumentative when people yell at me and call me a disgrace. Go ahead and try to walk up to someone on the street, and talk to them the way you talked to me. I assure you, they'll be a little more than argumentative as you attack them.
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Post by CuteCat on Mar 20, 2010 3:54:09 GMT -5
Today, more proof that Jim is a terrible op was added.
He started to f*ck around with and harrass someone because he personally didn't like them. Not because of any rules being broken, and not in a subtle way. He resorted to outright trolling the guy and swearing at him. The guy's crime?
<Lancerr> ((Why you harass me with this profanity ? isn't that one of the main rules? )) <Jim> (( I harass you because I hate you personally. )) <Lancerr> (( Do not take your personal matters into this, be more professional if you may.)) <Jim> (( I'll take my personal matters wherever they ask me to take them; stop deciding you're allowed to control the terrain and/or environment. ))
Saying it was chilly out, and having generally crappy grammar/roleplaying. What Jim did was basically minimodding, saying "no the weather is this" and then swearing and yelling about his grammar when he tried to object. Apparently he did some other RP stuff earlier, breaking down a tree and jumping really high or something, but this either went unaddressed or with more trolling rather than calmly telling him it was wrong. (Didn't really check in my hurry to address the flamefest I woke up to).
Oh, and there were something nice from the OOC chat too... <Jim> I wanna see if he'll go away if I pester him enough.
He also explained why he harrasses the guy. <Jim> It's a combination of amazing lack of grammar, horrible lying and really moronic RP.
As you all should know, this isn't a reason to ban or harrass someone. He's doing his best to improve and Jim is being a hateful jerk about it. After having to explain to 3 people that we don't condone his behaviour and he isn't a good op, I think this entire event can be proof as to how good his op behaviour really is.
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Post by astrodude55 on Mar 20, 2010 4:03:22 GMT -5
Didn't Jim vote for himself? Shouldn't the vote be four to three, since you can't vote for youself?
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Post by CuteCat on Mar 20, 2010 4:11:45 GMT -5
Indeed. The actual poll results are 4 yes and 3 no.
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Post by Crimson_Hunter on Mar 20, 2010 17:50:37 GMT -5
I actually wish to say that, I am pulling my support of Jim.
Last night was unnecessary and unneeded. As a fellow op I feel guilty for doing nothing and just standing by.
Jim should not have the power he has. And if I could I would pull my vote. Making the tally five yes and two no.
I'm sorry Jim, I have to agree with the new arguments and new evidence given.
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Post by astrodude55 on Mar 25, 2010 0:22:39 GMT -5
When does he get deopped? Wasn't there a specific date or something he had for what ever reason?
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Post by CuteCat on Mar 26, 2010 11:52:39 GMT -5
I'd like for it to take place soon, but I think Arf is the only one who can remove him from the list. If I can, I don't know how. There is no set date, however.
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