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Post by brenden on Aug 30, 2010 14:03:02 GMT -5
This is an operational report from myself in response to allegations by a user for abusing power and threatening. It is not all complete as there is still Crimson_Hunter's side to this as well as what happened, to other Ops it is log 3 with the information regarding what happened with Xanit and Aaron, as it he also made allegations regarding myself I have also included back dated logs and results as to what happened. Again, statements from Crimson and other parties are needed. Attachments:
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Post by CuteCat on Aug 30, 2010 15:15:53 GMT -5
Reposting Aaron's version of the story here. Sorry if you take offense, Aaron, but I see nothing that seems to be private in this.
<Aaron`> It has been suggested I message you in regards to an incident that occured earlier today that resulted in me being banned from the OOC chan, and the reason I am in neither by choice. Short version. My and Xanit had a minor issue, that, according to Xanit, and to myself, was resolved, and needed no intervention. However Des and Crim decided they needed to become involved anyway. Crim and Des started basing me for contacting an IRCop, when Xanit made, what he called implications.. Call it whatever, about him getting me kicked off the server, indicating I should have gone to them first.. About an issue relating to the server. Xanit admited going to an IRCop was the correct decision in open channel. <Aaron`> Des and crim still insisted I should have come to them first. And further insisted I should have come to them before making the script in question. The script simply, for Xanit only, when he messages me in pvt, tells him I don't want to hear anythign he has to say, specificly, "-=AUTOMESSAGE=- I really have nope interest in anything you have to say. -=WINDOW AUTO CLOSED=-" Or that I should have just used ignore. I dislike using ignore, in the off chance that person roleplays, and becomes involved in the rp I am in. I don't see what they say, and I am sure you are aware, can cause allot of issues. <Aaron`> Then, I was told I was as much at fault as him, for his threat, "<Xanit> I'm pretty sure if I spammed your PM, I could get us both kicked off the server simultaneously for spam." Of course the fact I am even slightly responsible for that is rediclous. The Des accused me of baing at fault becaise I did not go to the ops first.... I finally said I was sich of the threats to kick me, and if they were gonna do it, then just do it. Then Crim banned me from ooc (But not kicked me) <Aaron`> Bottom line of it all, I am SICK of being bullied. Des has done it before, because he wanted to solve an issue, where an IRCop suggested I just be asked not to message someone anymore, and I agreed I would not. Des wanted to discuss it further. He threatned consequences, they were evntually layed out to be bans. I would not join his channel to resolve, but he did not ban be.. Still, the threats. I even swallowed my pride and apoligised, even though I doin't think I did anything wrong, for the sake of everyone getting along. Honestly, I would rather not leave, but the bullying, threats and such need to stop, or I simply cannot return. I also have logs,if you desire. <Aaron`> I hopw you get this when you awaken. I will proably be going to bed soon.. In any event, I really hope you can do something. Feel free to msg me when you have, if you desire, to look into this, or for more information, and I will get back as soona s I can, I do however have a busy day tommrow.
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Post by shadowwizard on Aug 30, 2010 22:30:05 GMT -5
I thank you very much Cat, for at least scanning to ensure nothing personal was posted. As far as the position I hold on this in the overall, i will need to think it through. I am understandable quite upset at the whole fact that I very much feel bullied. There is also information contained, as I stated to Cat, in Des's original post here (It has been changed, thank you, but not before it had at least 14 views) and still airs dirty laundry, that in my opinion did not need to be aired. It was made clear I did not wish others to know things mentioned in there, but no attempt was made to remove any unnecessary details, to remove that. Yes, you quite possibly are gonna call me nit picky. Saying I cannot ever be pleased, I already see it the possibility, but this is how I feel. I am very upset at not only what happened, but how it was handled here, and this is before any real handling got done. So, as I stated, I will be thinking this though to decide what position I am choosing to hold, as I don't want to make requests that are simply out of anger. That will serve to solve nothing, and likely result is making it harder to solve.
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Post by Observer on Sept 1, 2010 16:29:39 GMT -5
Well, reading through things, it doesn't look like bullying. It looks more like frustrations and misunderstandings piling up with a dash of paranoia tossed in to make sure that things break down.
Always keep in mind that the Ops here are not trying to be mean or evil to you. Ops try to help both the individual and the community at the same time, and sometimes "dirty laundry" hiding in the background can pop up, and things like what Des was attempting are a measure to prevent those things from snowballing into one giant catastrophe later.
Just relax. We're here to hang out and enjoy RPing and whatever other fun stuff we can come up with. I don't think anyone in #forest is there to abuse Op powers against other members of the chat.
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Post by shadowwizard on Sept 1, 2010 19:45:16 GMT -5
Well, here is the bottom line of it all. It is gonna be harsh, but such is life. From talking with the few people I have, it has come to my attention that most don't feel that what happened between myself and Des was bullying. I still strongly disagree. And at this point, I don't feel comfortable, as I feel there are people that would rather me not be there, or that more trouble is around the corner if I attend. So although I expect no one to agree to any of this, I cannot be accused of not trying. Des has more then once offended me, demanding I do things, or he will ban me. Demanding I do things, when the matter was already resolved. Where I come from, when you offend someone, you apologize. This needs to occur. The issues I have had, have been with Des, in my opinion, overstepping his bounds, and getting involved where he is not needed. Crim also was involved in this. I was originally leaning to the fact if I returned they could no longer be ops, but it is my understanding many other members like them as such. As I am not looking to have them "punished" or have something taken away from them that others agree they do good on, I insist that those 2, and those 2 only be considered to have no 'op' authority over me whatsoever. If there is an issue with something I have done to the channel, or to another player, that they not be permitted to handle it. This includes trying to resolve personal matters, deciding what if anything needs to be reported to a higher authority, etc. There are other ops that can do that, and are very capable. Besides, in honesty, after the disagreements, will they be able to get anything resolved with me constructively anyway? This will also help avoid any future issues between me and them. This does not mean that either Des or Crim's characters are forbidden to roleplay with me, or they are forbidden to talk to me. It simply means, that when it comes to me, they are not ops. So, I welcome, and am quite curious actually, about the comments the rest of you have in regards to this post. But I have thought of this for several days, and as I said, was leaning towards requesting they have there ops totally removed, however decided to attempt a compromise. I hope to hear from you all soon, and perhaps one day soon, I will be returning.
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Post by Crimson_Hunter on Sept 1, 2010 19:57:12 GMT -5
You are in no place to make demands. I am taking this as an ultimatum. All ops have authority over all players. You will be no exception. That is all.
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Post by shadowwizard on Sept 1, 2010 20:00:55 GMT -5
It is the only way I can feel comfortable. Take it as you will.. I am just trying to avoid more fights before they start.
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Post by brenden on Sept 1, 2010 20:24:29 GMT -5
As Crimson stated, you are in no place to demand anything. And the issues you have with me are completely baseless as I have done nothing but be professional in all matters, but if you wish to attack me personally then do so but be warned that it won't be taken lightly.
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Post by shadowwizard on Sept 1, 2010 20:29:03 GMT -5
I have not attacked you. And I disagree, I believe they have great basis. So, that's so far 2, that are unwilling to do something to make a player comfortable. It appears as though no matter what is done, I will continue to be blamed.
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Post by shadowwizard on Sept 1, 2010 20:32:17 GMT -5
p.s. I guess I am done dealing with this. I tried, and knew for sure I would fail, but at least I tried. See my farewell post in the appropriate forum.
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Post by brenden on Sept 1, 2010 20:34:44 GMT -5
I disagree. Thinking that I have a personal grudge against you and what you said earlier is more or less slander if not close to attacking, only you think you are not welcome no one else. I have done nothing in means of overstepping my bounds as an Op and have not offended you in any way when dealing with the matters involved.
But I too grow tired of this argument and well, put it behind me.
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Post by shadowwizard on Sept 1, 2010 20:41:51 GMT -5
"and have not offended you in any way when dealing with the matters involved" I am glad you can choose my feelings for me. Please, do not proceed to tell me what I do, do not, can, or can not feel. YES! YOU HAVE OFFENDED ME!
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